综合这赛季的得分和传球（以及真实命中率），哈登可以让人很信服的说——他正在进攻端打出NBA历史上最伟大的表现。
Kingskrancar 108 指标 1 天前
Wouldnt Curry last season have a crazy TS% especially with 50+ FG% and 90+ FT%? Or is it Harden''s extra 5 assists that boosts his "productivity"
难道库里上赛季惊人的真实命中率没有更可怕吗，尤其是他50+的投篮命中率外加90+的罚球命中率。或者说是哈登比库里多出来的5个助攻增加了他的效率。
Supersonicsexasperated_dreams 128 指标 1 天前
hardens ts this season is .62 with a per of 28, currys ts last season was .669 with a per of 31.5
哈登这赛季的真实命中率为0.62，外加28的效率值；库里上赛季的真实命中率则达到了0.669外加31.5的效率值。
Pistonsthe_shins 31 指标 1 天前
Steph had about 4,5% higher TS than Harden, while having about 5 assists less. Stephs last season is probably the greatest shooting season ever, if you look at the volume. But I agree with Scaletta that Hardens season this year all round could be the best offensive season ever.
库里的真实命中率比哈登高了4到5个百分点，但是场均少了5个助攻。如果你单从出手频率上看的话，库里上赛季的投射也许是历史最佳的。但是我还是同意楼主的说法，综合来看，哈登在进攻端的表现也许才是历史最佳。
Warriorsnymphoblastic 104 指标 1 天前*
Not Sure how Harden''s season is better. Harden has 4.5 more assists, but also 2.5 more turnovers. Steph scored more, and was way more efficient (which is saying something, as Harden has been incredibly efficient this year). Which doesn''t even take into account that Harden plays 2.5 more MPG and it doesn''t factor in non-box score impacts
不确定为什么哈登这赛季在进攻端的表现就要比上赛季的库里强了。他比库里场均多了4.5个助攻，但是同时也多了2.5个失误。上赛季库里场均得分更多，而且效率远比哈登高（这也说明了一些问题， 因为这赛季哈登的效率已经非常高了）。而且我还没有把哈登场均多上场的2.5分钟考虑在内，同时也没有考虑数据表之外的影响。
Knicksunderhunter 44 指标 1 天前
Not to mention that Curry played so many fewer minutes.
更不用说上赛季的库里比哈登这赛季的上场时间少多了。
[SEA] Ray Allentoosmoothwiththis 131 指标 1 天前*
Steph completely shattered the offensive box plus minus record last year. Harden is having a great season, but his offensive impact isn''t close to Steph last year. Harden would be #10 on the all time OBPM list.
库里上赛季在正负值这一项上完全取得了统治地位。哈登这赛季确实不错，但是他在进攻端的影响和上赛季的库里相比还是差远了。不过哈登的进攻联盟平均正负值应该还是能排进历史前十吧。
SpursDeMichaelDeJordan 161 指标 1 天前
I like how the Curry comments are getting downvoted.. Oh how soon people forget. 30 ppg on 50/40(5)/90.
我真是喜欢人们给支持库里的评论点灭的行为...难道这么快你们就忘记了用50/40(3分球)/90命中率场均砍下30分的日天表现吗？
RocketsHakeemTheDreamShake 97 指标 1 天前
Curry had the single best scoring season of all time.
（火蜜）上赛季的库里绝对打出了历史上单赛季得分的最佳表现。
[SEA] Ray Allentoosmoothwiththis 41 指标 1 天前
MJ 35 PPG on 60 TS% with virtually no 3 point shot?
那么乔丹以60%的真实命中率场均砍下35分，而且几乎不投3分的表现又改排第几呢？
NetsBigbadbuck 48 指标 1 天前
The thing is curry did it in 34 mins a game on .670 ts%! .670 is unheard of. Jordan did 35 in 40 mins a game. Per 100 possessions they were almost even in scoring as well. So I think Curry had the better offensive season, and his team won 73 games moslty because of his brilliance
库里最厉害的地方在于他只在场均34分钟的上场时间里就做到了，而且真实命中率达到了0.670。乔丹可是花了场均40分钟才砍下的35分，另外也从来没有达到过0.67的真实命中率。换算到每100回合来说，他俩的得分几乎一样。所以我觉得库里在进攻端的表现还是要更出色一些，而且那一年勇士能拿到73胜，很大程度上也是因为他日天的表现。
Warriorsnymphoblastic 65 指标 1 天前*
Jordan played 6 more MPG but scored only 5 more PPG and was drastically less efficient. Curry''s season was better
乔丹场均上场时间比库里多了6分钟，得分却只高了5分，而且效率比库里低得多。所以上赛季的库里在进攻端的表现是更出色的。
-en- 16 指标 1 天前
So you''re saying Jordan played not quite 20% more minutes and scored not quite 20% more points.
所以你说的是，乔丹在场均上场时间并没有比库里多出20%的情况下也没有砍下比库里多20%的分数，这非常合理。
Warriorsnymphoblastic 47 指标 1 天前
I''m saying that Curry scored more per minute, and did it drastically more efficiently than Jordan.
我说的是，库里每分钟的得分比乔丹要多，而且比乔丹的效率高多了。
Warriorsnymphoblastic 34 指标 1 天前
Being just as efficient (or almost as efficient) under a much heavier workload is more impressive.
But that''s not what we''re talking about. MJ wasn''t even close to as efficient as Steph. MJ''s ts% was about 6% better than a league average player that season. That''s how much better Steph''s ts% was than Jordan''s. Steph was just flat out better at scoring, MJ just played more minutes.
That''s why Curry shooting 45% on ~900 shots is more impressive than Reddick shooting 46% on less than 500 shots. But it''s the same reason Currys scoring wasn''t on par with MJs
Ok, except MJ wasn''t even close in efficiency. It would be more like comparing a guy shooting 40% on 1100 shots vs 45% on 900 shots.
（勇蜜）在更繁重的上场时间下打出近乎一样的效率（或者差不多的效率）是更出色的表现。
但是这并没有发生，乔丹的效率和库里相比差远了。乔丹那赛季的真实命中率比联盟一般的球员高出了6个百分点，而这也恰恰正是库里比他高的部分。所以库里在得分上就是比乔丹出色，很简单的道理，而乔丹只是出场时间多了一点而已。
这就是为什么库里在900次三分出手里达到45%的命中率要比雷迪克以46%的命中率出手不到500记三分更出色。库里得分能力远比乔丹强的根本原因也是和上面一样。
因为乔丹在效率上和库里的差距很大，就好像一个出手1000次命中率40%的球员和另外一个出手900次命中率45%的球员相比一样。
Spursdiderooy 42 指标 1 天前
You know the list is good when it has Oscar Robertson listed five times, and doesn''t have MJ, Kareem, Stockton, or a number of arguably better offensive players listed at all.
Harden''s having a great season, and probably an all-timer. But higher offensive numbers than we''ve seen in years need to be normalized against other eras somehow, and that combination of statistics is not an end-all, be-all of offensive skill (though if you had to pick three, they would all be in the running).
当你看到这份榜单里奥斯卡-罗伯特森出现了5次，而乔丹，贾巴尔，斯托克顿或者其他看起来更强的进攻球员都没有出现时，你就知道这份排名有些问题。
哈登这赛季的表现确实非常出色，很可能是历史级别的。但是当不同时代的数据放在一起进行比较时，我们应该设立一个标准，把所有的数据进行标准化才行。而且最后，就算是你综合了所有的数据，也并不能说明一名球员在进攻端的全部贡献（尽管如果你要选出前三的话，他们都应该 在考虑中）。
CavaliersTheBigEgg23 159 指标 1 天前
I''m not bashing harden, he clearly is having an all-time great season... but this seems to completely ignore the nearly 6 turnovers per game, which doesn''t seem to be acknowledged enough. Correct me if I''m wrong, but does this account for turnovers at all?
我不是贬低哈登，他显然打出了一个历史级别的赛季...但是看上去你们完全忽略了他场均接近6个的失误，这点根本没有得到重视。如果我说错了，请纠正我，但是难道在进攻端的表现完全和失误无关吗？
Pistonsthe_shins 107 指标 1 天前
5.8 turn overs is a lot, but his assist/to ratio is 1.95, and Stephs last season was 2.03. I''d say Hardens ratio is pretty good considering the volume of possessions he uses. Most stars seems to have somewhere around 2.05 this season. For example 1.95 is way higher than Kawhi Lenoards this season. LeBron is having his highest APG and he have a 2.09 ratio, and it was lower last season aswell.
5.8个失误确实很多，但是他的助攻/失误比达到了1.95，上赛季的库里则是2.03。但是考虑到哈登的助攻频率更好，我觉得哈登这这项数据上还是表现不错的。大多数球星的助攻失误比这赛季都在2.05左右。但是1.95的助攻失误比还是比伦纳德高了不少，勒布朗的这一数据则达到了生涯新高的2.09，比上赛季的要高。
RocketsbyRockets 64 指标 1 天前
Assist/to ratio is somewhat misleading. Not all of hardens turnovers are from passing, a lot of them are him just losing the ball or an offensive foul.
助攻失误比有时候会误导人，因为并不是哈登所有的失误都来自与传球，其中有很多都只是他运球运丢了或是进攻犯规。
RocketschefnoguardD 31 指标 1 天前
That and we still average the second most assists per game in the league as a team and our turnovers per game puts us as 14th in the league in that category which is pretty good if you ask me
（火蜜）就算这样说，窝火球队整体的场均助攻数在联盟还是排在了第二，虽然整体场均失误也排到了第14，但是我觉得还不错，你觉得呢。
NBAjokes_on_you 25 指标 1 天前*
Why is assist:turnover ratio so commonly used anyway? Harden''s turnover rate is 19.6%, Kawhi''s is 8.9%, LeBron''s is 16.7%, Steph''s is 13.0%, and Westbrook''s is 15.8%.
Edit: Harden''s season would put him at 49th highest TOV% all time. Dennis Rodman occupies the #1 and 2 spots. Dwight Howard has the highest season by an active player with 21.4% in 06-07 for #19. Draymond Green had the 22nd highest TOV% of all time last year.
为什么你们这么喜欢用助攻失误比这个数据？哈登的失误率达到了19.6%，伦纳德是8.9%，勒布朗为16.7%，库里13.0%，威少是15.8%。
注：哈登这赛季的失误率排在了历史第49位，历史第一和第二都由罗德曼保持着。在霍华德失误率最高的赛季06-07，这一数据达到了21.4%，排名历史19。而德雷蒙德-格林上赛季的失误率也达到了历史第22。
fabosexy 9 指标 1 天前
Using ts% and fg% as a comparison between eras is stupid. Ts% was almost 5% lower just 10 years ago.
只用真实命中率和投篮命中率作为比较标准来比较不同时代的球员是非常愚蠢的。10年前，几乎所有球员的真实命中率都要比现在低5个百分点。
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