80年代魔鸟总决成为传奇经典，骑士勇士能否媲美？

美球迷热议80年代魔鸟总决成为传奇经典，骑士勇士能否媲美？

Why is Bird vs Magic in the finals "legendary" while the Warriors vs Cavaliers is "boring"? (self.nba)

为什么大鸟 vs. 魔术师的总决赛“堪称传奇”，而勇士 vs. 骑士则“索然无味”？

已经有一大堆球迷说今年的这些系列赛无聊，抱怨勇士-骑士的对决毫无悬念，并希望看到联盟的势力更为平衡。但如果历数过往总决赛，你会发现NBA的势力从不均衡。过去的六次总决赛里都有勒布朗的身影。在这之前我们有一个由马刺与湖人主宰的十年，再之前是公牛的两次三连，再之前是标题里的湖人-凯尔特人“传奇”对位，这些丰功伟业全都备受赞誉。苍天啊，我甚至看到版块里的JR们谈论热火有多伟大，尽管当时的他们是篮球史上最被看低的球队。

为什么我们为过往的主宰级别队伍欢呼，但在主宰进行之时却抱怨？我是湾区人，喜欢勇士，但我想看到一个竞争更激烈的季后赛。我相当期待看到马刺-勇士能打到抢七。我希望看到小托马斯面对骑士的防守技高一筹。但我同样希望看到历史最伟大的球员之一能对位上联盟历史最强大的首发阵容之一。过去两年的总决赛棒极了，并且将被谈论多年。除去寥寥几轮对决之外，这几年的其他系列赛可能无聊，但让我们来享受进行时的“传奇”篮球，而非沉浸于过去时的美好时光。

A lot of people have been calling these playoffs boring, complaining that Warriors-Cavs is a foregone conclusion, and wanting more parity in the league. But if you go by finals alone the NBA has never had parity. The last six finals have had LeBron in them. Before that we had a decade of dominance by the Spurs and the Lakers. Before that was the Bulls two threepeats. Before that was the aforementioned "legendary" Lakers-Celtics rivalry. All of these remarkable achievements are praised. Hell, I even see people on this sub talking about how great the Heatles were even though they were the most despised team in Basketball when they were playing.

Why do we celebrate the dominant teams of the past but complain about them as they''re happening? I''m from the Bay Area and like the Warriors but I wanted a more competitive playoffs. I was really looking forwards to Spurs-Warriors going to 7. I wanted to see IT run rings around the Cav''s defense. However I''m also looking forward to seeing one of the greatest players of all time go up against one of the best starting lineups the league has ever seen. The last two finals have been amazing and will be talked about for years. These playoffs have been boring outside of a few series but let''s enjoy "legendary" basketball while it''s happening instead of reminiscing about the old days.

"Only boring people get bored." - Klay Thompson

“只有无趣之人才会觉得无聊。”—— 克莱-汤普森

"....I forgot what I was going to say" - Klay Thompson

“……我忘了自己本来想说什么了。”—— 克莱-汤普森

It''s not. It''s fucking awesome basketball. But it''s boring in that there is no point in watching the rest of the playoffs.

这不是索然无味。这是赞到爆炸的篮球表演。但剩下的系列赛全都不值得观看，这是无聊的点。

It also helps that Bird v. Magic came on the heels of the late 1970s NBA, one of the worst eras in the league. The league was floundering, attendance was down, players were doing coke at breakneck speed. It was a mess. Fans were hungry for a classic rivalry.

伯德 vs. 魔术师出现在1970年代末期的NBA，这对他们的传奇性也有所加成。那是联盟最坏的时代之一。那时的联盟的苦苦挣扎，观众数量减少，球员以不要命的速度嗑药。那是一团糟。粉丝们对于当时能够上演一次经典的对决饥渴难耐。

Also helps that Bird/Magic played the NCAA final the year before they were drafted

另一加成，是伯德/魔术师在他们选秀前一年在NCAA决赛的交手。

There were 3 Celtics-Lakers Finals. 1984, 1985, 1987.

In 1984, the first round lasted 3 games for the lakers and 4 games for the celtics. The second round lasted 5 games for the lakers and 7 games for the celtics. The conference finals was 6 games for the lakers and 5 for the celtics.

In 1985, lakers swept in the first round, Celtics won in 4. Lakers won in 5 in the second, celtics won in 6. Both won in 5 in the conference finals.

In 87 they both swept in the first round. Lakers won the semi finals in 5 and swept the conference finals. Both of the celtics'' series went to 7 games.

Every one of those years involved a more competitive series involving the lakers or the celtics than this year does with the warriors and the cavs.

曾经有三次凯尔特人-湖人的总决赛对阵。1984,1985,1987。

1984年，湖人花了3场比赛过首轮，凯尔特人4场。第二轮，湖人用了5场，凯尔特人7场。分区决赛则是湖人6场，凯尔特人5场。（首轮5局3胜制）

1985年，湖人首轮横扫，凯尔特人4场胜出。第二轮，湖人5场胜出，凯尔特人6场胜出。都在分区决赛5场取胜。

1987年，他们双双在首轮横扫。湖人半决赛5场胜出，在分区决赛横扫。凯尔特人接下来两轮系列赛都花了7场解决战斗。

这里面任意一年，比起今年的勇士和骑士，湖人或凯尔特人都遇到了一轮更激烈胶着的系列赛。

get ready for the dark ages of the nba. minimum 3 more years of this finals matchup

做好准备迎接NBA黑暗时代的到来。这个决赛对阵少说也得再来个三年。

Can''t wait to check up on how inaccurate this comment is in 3 years. Because a LOT can happen in that time. LeBron will begin (hopefully) a soft fade out, the era of positionless basketball featuring a dozen 6''10+ guard skilled big men is right on our doorstep, and all it takes is a tweak or two to suddenly put a team like the Bucks or Minnesota on the same path that the 2013-14 Warriors (51-31)* were set on.

*A team, I might add, that featured: Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Andrew Bogut, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala, David Lee, Mareese Speights. Sounds pretty familiar right? Nonetheless a team that finished second in their division and exited in the first round behind the Clippers.

等不及在未来三年打脸这个回复有多不准确了。因为这期间能发生很多很多事情。勒布朗会开始（但愿如此）慢慢淡出，随着一帮拥有后卫技巧的6尺10寸以上大个子涌现，篮球的无固定位置时代已经近在我们的门外。一切只需一两个突然的转折，一支像雄鹿或者森林狼的球队就能走上和2013-14赛季勇士（51胜31负）*相同的道路。

*我可能得补充，这支球队拥有：斯蒂芬-库里，克莱-汤普森-德雷蒙德-格林，安德鲁-博古特， 哈里森-巴恩斯，安德烈-伊戈达拉，大卫-李，马利斯-斯佩茨。听上去相当熟悉是不是？虽然这样也只是一支常规赛赛区第二，在首轮和快船激战后落败的队伍。

a lot can happen but it''d take something absolutely insane for giannis to go from losing in 6 to a team that got swept easily by the cavs, to actually beating the cavs. even the ''13-''14. the warriors won 47 and a playoff series in ''12-''13. a better comparison would be houston striking gold in the draft/free agency this year, the spurs getting chris paul, or fultz being an all-nba guy from the jump, on top boston adding hayward or griffin.

未来有很多可能，但得在字母哥身上发生些什么极为疯狂的事情，才能让他从被一支被骑士轻易横扫的队伍（指猛龙）六场击败，进化到真的能够击败骑士。就算是13-14赛季的勇士，也在12-13赛季斩获了常规赛47胜和一轮系列赛胜利。一个更好的类比可能是火箭在今年的选秀/自由球员市场挖到了金子，马刺得到克里斯-保罗，或者富尔茨新秀即大腿，同时他所在的强劲凯尔特人增添了海沃德或格里芬。

I don''t think people necessarily think the finals themself will be boring, but rather that both GSW''s and Cavs games so far has been terribly one-sided.

我不觉得人们觉得总决赛本身变得无聊了，重点在于勇士和骑士至今为止的比赛都太过于一边倒了。

Yep, nobody complains about the Finals, they complain about everything else

in the 80s there were probably also alot getting tired of lakers going to the finals 9 times in 12 years, we just dont hear about those people

是的，没人抱怨总决赛，但总决赛之外的一切都被抱怨。

在80年代，大概也有人厌倦了湖人在12年里9次进入总决赛，我们只是没听到那些人的声音而已。

It''s kind of like porn, except you can''t fast-forward through the boring beginning. The good part is coming though. Once the Cavs and Warriors put on a show, we''ll all bust, be happy, and stop complaining.

这有点像黄-片，除去你不能快进跳过无聊的开头。不过高潮迭起的部分就要到来。一旦骑士和勇士一同入镜，我们都会性奋起来，开开心心，以及停止抱怨。

Purely because it hasn''t happened yet.

If this series goes to 7 it will be regarded among the greatest finals in NBA history and possibly all of sports history.

People are just upset now because this regular season and the playoffs leading up to the finals feel pointless- and to some extent, they have been. When 2 teams go 24-0 in the playoffs with their greatest challenges either taken out by other teams due to advantageous seeding or injuries, it feels kinda silly and just like we''ve been waiting around for the inevitable.

This might be the most talent-heavy championship in U.S. sports history and people will only start to appreciate that once it starts, or maybe not even until 4 or 5 years down the line once these guys are gone or have slowed down their game and we''re back to more mundane matchups like Lakers v Magic.

纯粹是因为这对决还没发生。

如果勇士-骑士的系列赛能达到第七场，这将会被看作是NBA历史上，甚至可能是体育史上最伟大的决赛。

人们现在的不安只是因为整个常规赛和指向总决赛的季后赛令人觉得毫无意义，而某种程度上，事实就是如此。当两支球队在季后赛的战绩是24胜0负，他们的最大威胁要么因为种子排名有利已经被其他球队解决，要么就是对手受困于伤病。这让人觉得有点蠢，我们就像虚度时光等待不可避免之事到来一样。

这可能是美国体育史上最天赋满溢的总冠军对决，人们会在总决赛开打后立刻赞誉连连，另一种可能是认可会在四五年后才到来。那时候这帮家伙会离开，或者让自己的比赛降速，而我们会回到如同湖人 vs. 魔术一般沉闷的总决赛对阵。

Because we''re 30 years removed from it so we only remember the Finals clashes instead of the formalities that led to them

因为我们距离大鸟和魔术师的对决已经三十年了，所以我们只记得总决赛的闪光碎片，而非总决赛之前的走过场系列赛。

Or because the Celtics/Lakers didn''t sweep everyone on their way to the finals?

或者是因为凯尔特人/湖人没在他们通向总决赛的道路上横扫任何人？

Lakers and Celtics were contenders amongst several possible contenders. Celtics weren''t always a lock for the finals, Philly was a powerhouse with Dr J and Moses Malone. Bucks were a good team. Then the Pistons suddenly became the bad boys and now they''re a threat out of the east. Then came MJ and the Bulls. Lakers were front runners for the NBA finals, but there were a few opponents that were a threat like Sun''s, Rockets and Trailblazers.

Warriors and Cavs are the front runners to play in the NBA finals and no one else except a healthy Spurs team are even close. Not a boring match up, but a boring lead up.

湖人和凯尔特人是在几支潜在争冠球队之上的争冠球队。凯尔特人并不是能一直锁定总决赛席位，拥有J博士和摩西-马龙的费城不是省油的灯。雄鹿也是支强队。然后活塞突然成了坏孩子军团，也变成了来自东部的一股强力威胁。然后是乔丹和他的公牛。湖人曾经是竞争NBA总决赛入场券的领跑者，但也有几个可以构成威胁的对手，比如太阳，火箭和开拓者。

勇士和骑士现在是NBA总决赛入场券竞争的领跑者，除了健康的马刺之外，甚至没有一支球队能摸到他们的脚边。实际上这不是一个无聊的对阵，而是一次无聊的大幅领先。